Following last weeks Futures Cafe on Cloud Computing & Google Apps, presentations and further reading from Andrew & Sam are now available on the Futures Cafe website.Thank you to Sam and Andrew for their thought-provoking talks, and everyone who took part in such a well attended session.
Here is a writeup of the discussion from the breakout groups following the talks. Whether you were or were not at the event, please continue the discussion by adding your comments to this blog.
Advantages of Cloud Computing
- The chance to pass on problems / complaints to a third party
- Relieves us of the problem of planning our data architecture over the next
10 years
- It’s everywhere – makes it easier for mobile & remote access
- Gives the users control / flexibility
- Potential to provide cost savings
- Issues of risk are the same with any external provider of storage – the
same questions would need to be raised even if we were talking about UWE
hosting our data.
- Crossplatform (get us away from the Microsoft vs Apple vs Linux debate)
Disadvantages of Cloud Computing
- You lose direct control
- Audit trails may be difficult
- Data protection issues
- Third party commitments to hold data locally – NHS, MOD, Commercial
partners
- Security of the service -retrieval of data
- Risk of vendor lock-in
- We have little leverage with a company the size of Google – tools may change in a direction we are not happy with, with no warning
If we look further at Google apps, what apps should we prioritize and for whom
- Tools are good for students but the cloud aspect makes it inappropriate for
some staff due to concerns about data security
- There is potential for less sensitive tools (such as calendar or wiki-type tools?) to be used
- There are benefits not just in terms of cost saving but providing tools that users
expect and like
Other comments and questions
“There is a difference between a service provided by Google in the “cloud”, and one provided by a national academic facility over the network. In the latter case we know and trust the motivation of the provider.”
“Google offers Apps for free to Education in order to “get ‘em young”. Is this any different to the approach of other software suppliers who offer universities substantial discounts on their products?”
“If we were to go to using Google Apps, would it always be free, and would Google ever decide to terminate the service? There would be a problem with lock-in.”
“Consider what students will come here knowing. Currently we assume they know how to use Microsoft Office. That may change and who knows what it will be in 2 or 3 years. We have seen an increase in the use of Google Calendar.”
“Google Apps is a limited range of applications. Group working by students is now a lot more prevalent, but our students also need to collaborate using specialist software, such as Matlab or Maple. Is it difficult when data is split between local storage and the cloud?”
“What would the implications be of letting members of staff or students use whatever applications they like?”
Conclusions
Cloud computing provides opportunities but also risks that need to be mitigated against. This is true even if we were looking to store data in another institution. The cloud concept raises significant concerns over audit trial of information, data security and most importantly third party arrangements. Even if we were to satisfy ourselves that Google offers sufficient data security, it could discourage potential research partners (eg defence, NHS) from working with us.
Google apps offer the most advantages/least risks for our undergraduate students. However the cost savings would be very limited if we had to spend time and money on deploying Google tools while also maintaining or replacing our existing services for postgrads and staff.
It may be better to wait until more other UK universities have laid the ground. Could Google work with UCISA or others to develop and share with us a template SLA specifically tailored to the concerns of UK HE?
From a legal point-of-view, it makes a huge difference whether the data is hosted in the EU or not. In practical terms it might not – Google is still a US company and subject to the influence of US and other governments. We would however be doing about as much as possible to cover ourselves.
Google’s standard contract currently allows them to host your data anywhere – they like the flexibility to do this for resilience reasons. Google don’t say much about this, but are working on schemes to keep data geographically closer to home. Will Google in future offer an education SLA with explicit guarantees that data is hosted in the EU?
Potentially Google offers APIs for our existing systems to integrate with google apps (e.g address books). There may be opportunities for Google Calendar to integrate with Oracle. Some staff (and many students) will adopt Google and other consumer cloud computing tools irrespective of what we do. Can we take advantage of/manage this? For example can we allow staff to export a view of their “corporate” Oracle Calendar into a “personal” Google Calendar?
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